Category: pub history

Early London pub history & 1832 street directory

As you may know, I write sites about pub history. I am always looking to find new ways to advertise this, and to be honest, I often struggle to find the pubs I am searching for. This is not the fact that they are not on the site, just with a differing address; or sometimes the search engine just cannot find the pub.

Over the past few weeks or so, I have been looking at early street directories of London . My idea of an early directory was in 1839, now I am looking at 1833, 1811 and 1805 etc. All these directories are pre-Victorian, i.e George III was on the throne from 1760 to 1820; then George IV until 1820; and William IV until 1836.

And with this in mind, and the fact the search engine on the site often struggles to find early addresses in London, why not create an early street directory? It is a great idea, and keeps me busy in my retirement! Plus, there are very few sites in which you can search by pub or address, usually just surname.

As usual, most people would think this is mad, but this is what I do.

So, the site is building slowly, and it will take a few weeks / months / years; but here is an excellent example – Borough High street, Southwark.

More in a few weeks.

 

Early pub history of London

I have to write this about my research, and others who have helped me in this. The Early pub history of London is continuing to grow in stature.

Basically, what I am saying, is that it is amazing the amount of detail which is now listed on my sites/s on pub history for London and many other areas.

Just find a page, NOT one of the holder pages for the other additional counties, and enjoy the amount of detail listed. It is all very personal to the relevant publican / licensee of an individual address, and I cannot change this; or make it more interesting to others who are not linked to this family.

What the site is slowly starting to list is the proof that these establishments actually existed, and naming bodies in the buildings through that time, and they are usually live bodies. The other main area I am addressing is the old streets that originally existed and were devolved into new areas as they were redeveloped.

I am very keen to endorse the London pub history site as a major development in mapping old street names which no longer exist. I have not worked out how I am going to do this, but it will happen.

Enough for this post.

 

 

London Holden commercial directory 1811

Well, it is 1.53 in the morning, and I usually fall asleep on the computer about this time of morning. I think, I don’t actually know the time I fall asleep!

The Holden directories of London are rather special. They are really early, and also list lots of victuallers, wine and brandy merchants, named pubs etc etc. This is quite rare for early directories.

The only thing I am not sure about at present is whether the year is actually correct. I know most directories are a year out of date. The Holden directories are strangely organised, and I do not have an answer to this at present.

What has become apparent when searching on some of the very early entries, is that Whitechapel can mean Aldgate; there is no special code to work out where a public house or victualler is; and the addresses are also often quite short in detail.

The beauty of my pub history site is that there is masses of detail already added by myself, and Stephen and Ewan – particularly for these early entries, and this new detail can be compared to see if there is a pattern.

And life goes on, but with a better understanding of early London publicans and licensees, and also I am always looking  to add those long lost streets and pubs that disappeared two centuries ago.

Anyway, i am still awake, and its 2.01 am; and enough for tonight.

London street directory 1919 or thereabouts

There is a new site which is building, along with many other sites. It is simple, it is a street directory of London from the 1921 directory, which is always a year out of date, so about 1920; and next year is 2019.

So, a site is growing, which is london19.com which lists street detail for the last hundred years, and should be ready by 2019. That is the background detail.

This new site will initially list street directories, and links to pubs and previous pubs in that timeline or earlier. Then it will move on to list details of street name changes over that time period. Well, that is the current plan.

Excited? Every time I research any of this form of data, it is nearly always on a purchaseable ebook. This is all very well, as people have spent their own time creating this data, but it is NOT in the public domain. There are also many freely available ebooks which are sold by people, I should do this too, but I cannot  be bothered.

I am aware that everything I post is stolen by others, hey ho, it’s the internet age.

BUT, I am certain that this site will make a difference, eventually, somewhere. And one of the people I have helped out will come back and click on some of my advertising links. You can only live in hope.

End.

 

The problems with a London history & pub history search engine

I run a few sites, including a major pub history site and others.  These all have a search the PUB … entry at the top of the page. Simple, but true.

My colleague John often complains that these search pages are riddled with advertising, and also that he can never find what he is looking for, even if he know what he is searching for! John is one of my major contributors for the site, and has many pages and images attributed o him.

Simple answer. The search engine is powered by google, and covers multiple sites which I choose, and is pretty amazing in this fact. BUT, it is a simple search, which first looks at the latest pages added to the site/s. So, for example, if I added a whole host of pages for the entire London 1843 directory, some hundreds of pages, this would overload the new search engine as the latest pages added to the site/s – which it does.

The fact is any  and all older pages are virtually ignored by the search, this is rubbish.

The point I am attempting to get to is that one page on a blog, written well, can equate to 50,000 web pages, in the google search engine, and this is entirely wrong, and seriously warped. I think google needs to look at is search parameters carefully. In the meanime, I will be writing lots of blogs , methinks.

 

Pub history in London and the home counties

I am currently running a major fix on my web pages due to google mobile friendly campaign which has knocked me off my number one spot for pub history. well, I think this is the reason. I need to find each page with an image included in the code and alter the code a little. I know I could probably write a script to do this, but I do have the time, and it is also very useful to see what actually is on the site/s in regards to content. This site gives an overview on the fix.

I completed Middlesex first, then most of London, Today, I went through all of Sussex and Surrey and latterly Berkshire. WOW! Most of Berkshire was researched for me by Colin Ager, who I have not heard from for some years, and images supplied by others. When the updates used to come in, I struggled to keep up, and did a lot of these in my sleep, usually with a glass of wine on the go.

Well, after re-visiting these pages today, each and every one of them, I have to say I had no idea how brilliant much of it is. That’s it really, what I brilliant site, myself and a whole team of people who have helped me, supplied hundreds of hours of their research and work, and made this an amazing resource for the future.

Obviously, if you just look at random pages, it looks pretty boring; but as the pages continue to grow and blend, and the small facts on the page speak for themselves and intertwine with other pages / pubs the picture starts to emerge of a labrynth of pub history.

I am spending a lot more of my time on the London history of the site now, but as many of the home counties became part of London in 1965, this gives me lots more work to complete, or not, the site will never be complete, it’s just me really. And the crazy hours spent on making additions to the site, adding new pages, fixing the old, tidying the code, answering lots of questions, and occasionally getting a major new contributor to supply masses of old and new images etc etc. The site/s is/are getting there slowly, after about 15 years.

And my wife never complains an iota.

Whitechapel, Shoreditch & Bethnal green

Well, I just had to do it. A visit to London has been on the cards for ages. I now have all the time in the world to do this, just not the income at present. So, today, i carefully packed a bag with all essentials, like spare batteries for my camera, etc.

An hour after leaving home, I was in Whitechapel High road; and I spent the day wandering amongst the local communities, taking pictures of pubs, what looked like old pubs, and other interesting landmarks.

I was attempting to use just the off-peak travel, but after about four hours of wandering, I was starting to show signs of strain, i.e. I was completely knackered. I did walk 7.5 miles today, which is good, but compare this with the usual zero miles, you can understand why I was struggling a little.

But, what a brilliant day, and I took 68 photographs, many of which are already on the pub history site. I also have a new site staring soon, london19.com which has been purchased, but not yet running so far.

As an aside, I would like to use this blog to announce the amazing results of my youngest daughter. She studies at Lincoln, a new University, which has just scored an amazing 22nd place in the UK in the latest Guardian league tables – that is pretty damned impressive. It’s also not surprising, as she has just achieved a first in her Mathematics degree. Well done all of you, and thank you.

More tomorrow, including maybe some pictures.