London pub, taverns & coffee houses history random updates

I have been quite busy recently. I am trying to get up the google search for London street directory, with my transcripts of the complete Robsons 1832 directory, plus images of the 1842. This site is fantastically useful and I refer to it all of the time. I am at about 6.2 out of all the millions at present, and climbing.

https://london19.com/streets1832/index.shtml

Another thing I have been up to is getting more detail on some of the early taverns, and coffee houses. I can’t always find which London ward to add these to, especially if they are 1666 or thereabouts, so started adding these to another new site:

https://londontaverns.co.uk/

My favourite is the last entry on the index, the Red Lion, near to Fleet ditch. It makes fascinating reading. I could add more, but this will do for now.

A lot of this detail is in books which are freely available to use and download, and some of them, in fact most of them are actually transcribed on line already, under various guises. I just want the relevant bits to add to a page / s.

I have recently upgraded the server as I was running low on space. I have not seen any main benefits to this yet, but it allows me to add as much stuff as I see fit.

I have probably been up to loads of other things, like redesign of the sites etc. One day the site will be mobile friendly, and I will get there eventually.

My friend Ewan at pubology has just sent me a large Marylebone pub history update, which has been added. I believe there is an even larger one for St Pancras to come soon.

Meanwhile, I spent a little time this evening working on the Seven Dials area of London. I am getting the hang of this area slowly. My examples are those public houses in Monmouth street until about 1846, then the street disappears and reverts as Dudley street for a while, or Broad street for the Kings Head.

All of these streets eventually become part of Shaftesbury avenue. I have not worked this bit out as of yet.

Kevan

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Lots of random updates for pub history in London

I am actually very busy every day adding updates to the pub history sites. Yesterday, I took a few hours out of my day to update one pub in Bonnington, Kent – the Royal Oak.

Moving onwards, I have been building another new site about coffee houses and early taverns. This is probably the most important update I have added for a while. I struggle to find some of the early taverns & coffee houses on the sites.

As I stupidly sort everything in London by church parish, it is just plain difficult to add early records.

I am also unsure about where the 50,000 pages I have on the pub history site are! I know that the number is correct, but I am not really sure what they are.

Added to this, I have been looking at how to make the site more accessible to those on mobile. I bought a cheap phone from Tesco mobile which is not very good. I leave it plugged in to charge most of the  time. Whenever I use it, it runs out of disk space, it is a cheap crap phone  – typical of Tesco, I guess.

What do I need to do?

I need the site to be more web friendly, I guess.

More tomorrow.

 

 

Maybe I’m a Londoner

My last blog sounded a bit desperate. sorry, I spend a lot of time getting my sites updated with lots of interesting data content, even if it s all a bit nerdy. Perhaps I have rather a lot of different web sites running under the same name, and I could split them all up into separate entities.

But, no, I will concentrate on what I think I am trying to do, and explore the possibility that what I am trying to achieve is something different from other conventional sites.

Lets see what is on offer on my main site. It covers pub history of some sort for London and most of the South of the country. It is stronger in the London areas, but it does have the restriction that most data is before 1944. Excepting the complete listing of all pubs and bars in 2018.

Then there is more detailed data just on London, mainly to do with pubs from about 1800, and also complete London historical directories for 1832, 1843 and parts of 1921 and 1940.

Then there is a small site I built a while back as nogobritain, which demonstrated the difficulties which people with disabilities have with public transport, and this includes a complete listing of the entire tube network, and links to the relevant detail. some of this may be out of date, but still a damned good try.

More recently, well, the Christmas before last, I built a site or two about the 1918 armistice. As part of this, I honed in on a publication by the LCC which listed every Londoner who worked for the LCC (London County Council) who was involved in service in World War One. All of them, about 10,000, I think. I also added some other records of similar nature.

Then there is the Cosford database of Suffolk, this is part of Suffolk where my early agricultural labourer descendants started. They ended up in London, as did many others as agriculture was overrun by cheaper imports from America, and country folk moved into London to find work. I did quite a bit of research on my Suffolk ancestors by visiting record offices, but this database far outweighed any detail I could find at record offices or online. I saved a copy for merit, from the time machine, it’s brilliant.

I think I have summarised my main site, although I have others which research other areas of pub history and early taverns, coffee houses etc etc.

All my sites are searchable by one search engine, it is far from perfect, but I use it a lot.

One last point, I had a drive into London on the second day of the new year. It was an enjoyable drive, and I photographed a number of pubs which were useful. Obviously, driving in London is not conducive with taking photographs, and I got my first £65 fine through today for this! Whoops.

 

 

 

London street directory in 1832, 1842 etc & London pub history

The London street directory which I am building slowly from early London directories is now reaching an important stage. All of the Robsons 1832 street directory is now listed in transcript form on the site; there is an individual page for each street or road. The vast majority of the 1842 street directory has also been added to the relevant pages in image format. This latter detail gives a significant amount of additional detail to that of 1832, which is fairly basic.

Both of the Robsons directories are being cross-checked with the Pigots 1833 directory listing of pubs, which has been brilliant in  confirming whether a street did actually exist in 1832 even if not listed. There is nearly twenty years of pub history research on my sites, and it is fairly detailed, and also fairly thorough.

I have also been starting to add the early coffee houses, taverns and hotels to the relevant directory; the early street directories make this so much easier to locate a specific area and parish to add these entries. These street directory listings are in an entirely different format to anything which currently exists, and should be viewed as an incredibly useful and freely available resource.

The addition of mapping an early street address to an early map is starting to take place. The mappings I am using also show the address in modern day format using the National Library of Scotland site in the links.

Basically, the London history site is improving every day, and the current build is all being completed and funded by one person (me), with zero additional funding from any organisations.

I hope you enjoy the site, and other historical sites like the pub history site which is particularly strong in London for extensive earlier research.

Let me know if you wish to help out in anyway, or even an offer to sponsor the sites would be great.

Kevan

London history & coffee houses

This is not a post about London coffee houses, mainly just a link to a new blog site I am building about Taverns and Coffee Houses. I now have three blogs running, and all are about London history.

Some people wonder why I do this? I have been building historical web sites for the past eighteen years, most are very average. I just love history, in particular London. I could spend every day wandering round London looking for old bits! I don’t do this very often, as I am probably on the autistic scale, and need a specific reason to visit, and a little shy about waving a camera about in public.

This new site does link in to my pub history site, on which I am slowly adding early coffee houses. This is often quite difficult as many existed before the early census, and therefore as I add a public house to a specific London parish noted by an early census entry, this becomes increasingly more difficult. I may have mentioned, I am #1 in google search for pub history, and #2, #6 etc; I am quite proud of this.

My 1832 London street directory is almost complete, which is good, and I spent a large part of my waking day rebuilding parts of my sites/s to accommodate this. This did not take very long, as I was quite late in waking today, this afternoon!

The 1832 street directory is incredibly useful for me in finding early public houses, or any building, and getting some idea where it may be, or near to. Trust me, I have a reason for doing this for my research, too.

I am getting there slowly, but quite pleased with recent updates and site additions.

Enjoy.

Kevan